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RepIdee, the day live: today Schlein, Zuppi, Landini, the"cynical beautician"

Politics takes center stage with Michele Serra, Alessandro Bergonzoni and Massimo Cacciari. Democracy, representation, war, rights in conversation between the deputy director Carlo Bonini and the president of Cei Zuppi. The Russian dissidents Olga Misik and Marina Ovsjannikova were also guests. Last evening also for the format “Officina Repubblica”. In Piazza Maggiore Lillo Petronio and the Posamans, finally the music of Diodato and Ron.

Contents

3:57 p.m

Rossi: “Let’s get out of the civil war between right and left”

“But how do you get out of there?” Serra asks himself in conclusion. Rossi argues that we need to get out of the “civil war between right and left.” For Perina, on the other hand, “the identity debate, which interests intellectuals, the writer, but by no means the average citizen, should be abandoned. In the end, it’s useful for the right to cover up the things it can’t do.”

In that regard, Serra concludes that one way might be to stop lying to yourself and others. “Meloni,” Serra points out, “is a colossal lie, claiming to be an outsider, one who,” he says at intervals, “was a minister at the age of 25. On the other hand, if I see one issue that unites us all, it’s anti-Berlusconism. I wish the hospitalized Cavaliere a very long life and his method caused problems in Italy that still exist. However, it would be necessary to get out of the logic of the likes, the customer chooser to return to being a citizen”.

3:47 p.m

Violent Journalism, Rete4 and Consensus

Serra introduces the topic of right-wing newspapers and TV stations: “Is it possible that right-wing media have such problematic and violent journalism? Has someone like Mario Giordano been discriminated against for being so violent?” Perina replies, “This journalism gets an audience.” I was the director of The Century of Italy. We tried to shuffle the cards a bit and show a right wing capable of arguing, debating with others and being curious about others. But this work is not for consensus. Consensus calls for more transmissions of Rete 4″.

3:41 p.m

Perini: “The current right is further behind than 20 years ago, but as it works it is unlikely to change”

To put it in a nutshell: For Perina, an Italy “where there are still fascists and communists is surreal”. Serra recalls, however, that it is a fact that republican Italy arose “from the defeat of fascism”. More applause from the audience. Perina remembers: “I signed the first manifesto ‘Out of the Tunnel of Neo-Fascism’ when I was 16 years old. The real problem is that the right-wing moves forward were sabotaged by Silvio Berlusconi. When Fini decides to end it with anti-communism, he holds a congress in Verona and invites the knight, who arrives by helicopter and distributes “The Black Book of Communism” among the congress participants. Berlusconi was interested in the right continuing to lead the field of extremism because the centrist-liberal field was his thing. The current right is in some ways further behind than it was 15-20 years ago, but as it works it is unlikely to change.”

3:26 p.m

The hard life of the right intellectual

Serra raises the question of right-wing intellectuals, quotes Marcello Veneziani. “Veneziani told me that it’s very difficult to be a right-wing intellectual because the left attacks you and the right doesn’t read.” Applause. Perina recalls that when Antonio Pennacchi won the Strega Prize for Canale Mussolini in 2010, nobody on the right called him. “The problem is that the right likes the intellectual very organically.”

3:21 p.m

The role of Berlusconi’s TV talk shows

Perina stresses the importance of Berlusconi’s cultural hegemony and his televisions. “Immigration – he notes – is becoming the first item on the agenda of the Italian right, not thanks to Salvini, but thanks to right-wing talk shows. Then Salvini saw that it worked and jumped on it.”

3:14 p.m

Rossi: “If this exists, it’s the left’s fault”

Rossi says provocatively: “If there is that right, it’s your fault, the left has framed the right as ‘dirty, ugly and bad’ the idea that ‘there is no other possible right’. When you have cultural hegemony, you also have a responsibility in that sense. Because that way, in the end, everyone who isn’t on the left votes for Meloni anyway.

“And were you hoping for Renzi and Calenda?” asks Serra, pointing out that it’s a joke to a point. Rossi: “You can’t believe that a centre-right liberal party will emerge from people leaving the Democratic Party, not for ideological reasons but for possible marketing reasons.”

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3:08 p.m

The right thing, yesterday and today. The arrival of Berlusconi

“We’re finally talking about the right after 40 years of talking about the ills of the left,” Serra begins. “I come from a middle-class family, my father voted liberal, my mother was a monarchist, she voted for the star and crown. I grew up with a very strict idea of ​​the right, not at all populist. I could have imagined that “everything, except that something disturbing could be coming from the right”.

Perina notes, “As soon as there was a bourgeois aesthetic, Berlusconi came.” Whoever stands on the right today was 14-15 years old when the knight arrived, he grew up with this idea of ​​consensus. The Italian right is muscular, she got her votes this way, which she considers successful, let’s forget she’s changing. It is also a consequence of bipolarity.”

3:03 p.m

Desperately looking for the right one – With Michele Serra, Flavia Perina and Filippo Rossi

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The Desperately Seeked Right meeting with Michele Serra, journalist Flavia Perina and Good Right leader Filippo Rossi in the Berardinis Room.

1:31 p.m

Cacciari: Schlein is on the left? We will see. After the Europeans, we need to think about the basics.”

“Elly Schlein’s left hand? It’s still early, let’s see. I have no prophetic gifts in this regard. I believe that before the European elections there will be a phase in which more than just the rebuilding of the European left will be worked on.” , there will be a view of the elections. I think a catastrophic moment is coming, but I don’t give this term any tragic meaning. At this point it will be necessary to think about the basics, as was the case during the Second World War: it will be a moment of change of state.

1:26 p.m

Cacciari: “We die, unlike the car. The car breaks down, but it doesn’t die. We should therefore not be treated like machines.”

Unfortunately, beyond work there is also death, Lopapa recalls: the photo of the father on the stretcher, his hand on his son’s coffin, comes from Ferrara, both involved in an accident at work. The Repubblica journalist recalls two deaths at work since the beginning of the year. How can one intervene or should we give up?

“We should understand that we die, unlike the machine. The machine breaks, but it doesn’t die. Therefore, we should not be treated like available machines that at some point will break down and need to be replaced. Sometimes it seems so.” Instead of finding ourselves in a general situation, we tend to narrow ourselves down to pets that can be replaced, easily replaced. Or we claim to the end a dignity in all areas that makes us incomparable with any means, any tool, any artificial intelligence, any pet – and then there will be rules that require compliance with certain criteria – or it will still be outright give unbearable and repulsive crocodile screams over those killed at work. But they exist because it is work, the activity that people do. busy'”. The audience of the Arena del Sole applauds with conviction.

1:15 p.m

Cacciari: “Work? Only loose measures by this government”

Lopapa recalls the theme of just remuneration; For many workers it is not fair at all. The latest government measure risks multiplying precariousness. “To meet contingent time, one must have an end. For many years, our societies have only thought for certain purposes,” answers Cacciari. “How do I find my way when I don’t know where I’m going? Try to manage this transition, which could be very lengthy, to reduce precariousness and redistribute income.

1:07 p.m

Cacciari: “All these fantasies about artificial intelligence as something human are complete nonsense, devoid of any common sense. It’s science fiction.”

“What do we do with a robot or free artificial intelligence? We don’t care. We are interested in a brain (which works better than a machine) but which is a slave. There is no use in reproducing a human.” Intelligence, but one has an interest in reproducing a Laborans machine. One is not interested in the machine that is conscious, that knows it is dying, that is afraid; all these fantasies about artificial intelligence as something human are utter nonsense, devoid of any common sense. It’s science fiction.

We are only interested in the Laborans machine, and this (the AI, editor’s note) is an extraordinary opportunity as long as the idea of ​​work I mentioned comes to mind: the machine frees me from work and I am active as I want . If instead the ia It’s about eliminating essential labor and the wealth the new system produces is only going in one direction and there’s only the unemployed, there’s a new tragic split between the elite and the neoples.”

1:01 p.m

Cacciari: “If we were able to reproduce our brain – and nothing prevents it – we would have a perfect slave at our disposal.”

“Right from the start, the innovative development had a regulating idea. Leibniz said it clearly: if states support these transformations, people will be freed from being forced to work. And that’s exactly where we’ve come with artificial intelligence. If we were able to reproduce our brain – and nothing prevents it from a technical-scientific point of view – we would have at our disposal a servile job, a perfect slave who does not only do manual work, but what liberates us a whole Set of necessities not necessarily linked to our conscience, to what we consciously want to do and produce, because ideally everything will be imaginable and reproducible. But what is really difficult to reproduce is consciousness and its various expressions.”

12:53

Cacciari: “Work must be in harmony with our dignity”

“Duties are also contained in our constitution, for the citizens and for the state. The individual’s duty of solidarity is utterly betrayed when paying taxes turns out to be protection money; and on the other hand, the duty of the state is to remove the obstacles: but that doesn’t happen, let’s look at access to healthcare.”

“Work must be nothing other than the expression of the freedom of my conscience to pursue an activity that suits my wants and needs; this is the idea of ​​work, expressed, albeit poorly, in the constitution. That’s what I would have done.” written: freedom of expression,” explains Cacciari.

12:45 p.m

“Beyond Work” with Professor Massimo Cacciari

“Voters don’t do an etymology of the word ‘work’ in Article 1. I believe that being active for us is real work, and being active on the edge means being causes, that is, being able to cause, having us.” on the basis of our will, have effects that we autonomously desire, on the basis of a law that belongs to us. Is that work, is it active work? The great philosophies that determined the worldview imagined it this way. Incidentally, this alone must be a work that must have nothing to do with the etymology of the term.

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12:42

“Russia must lose. As quickly as possible”

Olga Misik and Marina Ovsyannikova agree: “Russia must lose.” Because “Russia is not Putin, it belongs to all of Russia,” says Ovsyannikova. “As Orwell said, the best way to end a war is to lose it as soon as possible. Russia must lose him as soon as possible, only then can he do it.” Freeing itself from its imperial ambitions and returning to the democratic path can only then lead to a result similar to that in Germany after National Socialism: Russia must admit its mistakes admit, compensate Ukraine and the guilty will have to pay a court”.

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12:32

Olga Misik, the girl of the Constitution: “I was against the family, only my little brother was with me”

“One does not necessarily have to suffer repression to understand that repression is not normal.” Olga Misik, the Russian activist who, at the age of 16, sat cross-legged in front of law enforcement officers to read the constitution amid very violent protests, tells of the struggle of her generation: “For a long time nothing of the kind. My family supported me, the only one was my little brother. But over time, talking to my friends and lawyers, my mother began to understand that things couldn’t go on like this and that I was indeed doing something right. My father was one of Putin’s main supporters in Russia, and even after they arrested me and the war started, he continued to support the President’s positions. He’s impenetrable, he says I can’t understand that because my generation didn’t see the ’90s.”

Olga Misik and Marina Ovsyannikova agree: “Russia must lose.” Because “Russia is not Putin, it belongs to all of Russia,” says Ovsyannikova. “As Orwell said, the best way to end a war is to lose it as soon as possible. Russia must lose him as soon as possible, only then can he do it.” Freeing itself from its imperial ambitions and returning to the democratic path can only then lead to a result similar to that in Germany after National Socialism: Russia must admit its mistakes admit, compensate Ukraine and the guilty will have to pay a court”.

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12:22

“Propaganda in Russia works. My friends used to be against the war, but not anymore.”

“It’s forbidden, it’s allowed.” Journalist Marina Ovsyannikova recounts how the independent media were burned and how much propaganda gripped Russians: “Even before the war, Putin began to gradually destroy all independent Russian media, using non-violent exerted pressure. When the war started, more.” Over 200 broadcasters were identified as foreign agents and more than 10,000 websites were blocked.” Today, there is no independent media on Russian soil, and Russians are in an information bubble. The bloody propaganda system works very well: many of my friends in Russia who were initially against the war are now expressing doubts.”

“One does not necessarily have to suffer repression to understand that repression is not normal.” Olga Misik, the Russian activist who, at the age of 16, sat cross-legged in front of law enforcement officers to read the constitution amid very violent protests, tells of the struggle of her generation: “For a long time nothing of the kind. My family supported me, the only one was my little brother. But over time, talking to my friends and lawyers, my mother began to understand that things couldn’t go on like this and that I was indeed doing something right. My father was one of Putin’s main supporters in Russia, and even after they arrested me and the war started, he continued to support the President’s positions. He’s impenetrable, he says I can’t understand that because my generation didn’t see the ’90s.”

12:09 p.m

“My Escape from Moscow”. To RepIdee, the anti-Putin cartel journalists on TV

“The problem is that in Putin’s last two decades, all independent media have been liquidated, as have the courts. Russia has become a totalitarian state run by a dictator. It’s not just about you, the police are doing it again, even against your family is very dangerous. All the people of Russia cannot protest in any way if they choose to, it is because they are heroically desperate people choosing to lay their lives on the altar of freedom.”

Marina Ovsyannikova, the Russian journalist from Pervyj kanal, who in March 2022 broke up a state broadcaster’s TV program with a poster to protest the invasion, opens the Thierry Salmon Room’s Sunday program with an account of her dramatic escape: “Finding herself in prison. “It was a defeat, so I crossed the border. France gave me political asylum.” In this way, “I can continue to fight the Kremlin’s criminals and make a greater contribution to my country.”

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11:42

What or who are the parties?

Parties are the ones that started, tried to get there, and didn’t allow them to get there. Those are the parties. And that’s not right.

11:38

How tall are the greats of the world?

“They never did the G7 with the world’s big names, they did it with the world’s media.”

11:36

Flood, the wish for everything to go back to the way it was. But really?

About the tide, the reflection that seems paradoxical but worth thinking about. “Do we really want things to go back to how they were? It didn’t work before when we got that far.”

11:34

Bergonzoni Show, War News. From one conflict to another

“The negotiating table instead of table legs has amputated legs, which I am waiting for from Afghanistan.”

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