Lesbian fights claim lesbians are ‘non-men who are attracted to non-men’

The LGBTQ community’s attempt to redefine the term “lesbian” to mean “non-men” who love “non-men” is a “travesty,” said a lifelong lesbian and TikToker.

“I feel like we’re seeing a whole new form of domestic violence, not just against lesbians but against women in general,” Carol Hatch, 52, told Fox News. “We’ve been told that trans women who are biological males are better than women, that we are now cisgender.”

“And now we have young ladies who reject themselves so much they can’t even say the word ‘woman,'” she added. “They have to call themselves ‘non-men.'”

LGBTQ advocacy group It Gets Better Project posted a TikTok last month in collaboration with another YouTuber, Phoebe, who identifies as a non-binary, transmasculine lesbian. In the video, Phoebe discusses how women unfairly control the term “lesbian.”

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“There is a misconception that lesbian means a woman who loves other women,” Phoebe said in the video. “Actually, the definition is that non-males are attracted to and love other non-males.”

“There are trans men who have identified as lesbian for many years, there are non-binary people of all types who identify as lesbian,” they added. “There are countless ways to be a lesbian.”

The It Gets Better project didn’t respond to a request for comment.

But it’s not just LGBTQ advocates who are pushing for change. Johns Hopkins University defines a lesbian as “a non-male who is attracted to non-males”.

“While previous definitions referred to ‘lesbian’ as a woman who is emotionally, romantically and/or sexually attracted to other women, this updated definition also includes non-binary people who may also identify with the term,” reads it on the school website.

Hatch, who has always been a lesbian, called the performance a “travesty.”

“Now there are no real lesbians because lesbians can be non-binary,” she said. “Every time you put ‘non’ in front of something, you take away your humanity.”

“‘I’m not this, I’m not that.’ you are not human What aren’t you?” Luke added. “You’re a young lady, and it’s okay to be any kind of young lady. We lost that.”

The LGBTQ community’s move to abolish gender identities undermines the equality for gay people and women that has been fought so hard for in recent decades, Hatch said.

“I’m so sad that they took everything we fought for, that they feel so horrible that now they can only call themselves a non-man,” she told Fox News.

Hatch, who grew up in a conservative part of California, recalls the days when gay Americans were treated like lower-class citizens and didn’t enjoy the same rights as the rest of the country.

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“Being a more masculine woman — meaning a butch — those things haven’t been well received,” she said. “And over time we’ve had to face a lot of discrimination.”

Hatch said she was often abused, asked to leave women’s restrooms, sexually abused and even kicked out of the Marine Corps after telling a psychiatrist that she was gay.

“We’ve been through a lot of changes, but there’s also been a lot of growing pains,” she told Fox News. “And women in general have also been part of this change. Back then they fought for equal rights, equal pay.”

A blog post by the Trevor Project, an LGBTQ youth suicide prevention group, said stereotyping of lesbians can be “reducing” and “damaging.”

“When we think about lesbian visibility, we should also keep in mind that gender, appearance and sexuality are separate parts of people’s identities and that they sometimes overlap and intersect in ambiguous ways,” the post reads.

A number of LGBTQ+ advocacy groups have attempted to redefine lesbians as “non-men who are attracted to non-men.” (iStock)

Hatch, on the other hand, has always considered himself progressive and has a history of campaigning for women’s and gay rights. But she said she’s watched her community transform from something positive and welcome to something unrecognizable over the past few years.

Hatch said she no longer supports what the LGBTQ community has become, or even considers herself a part of it – and many, she said, told her she was not welcome. Now she uses TikTok to campaign against the ideas of her former community.

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“They say, ‘You don’t know your own history, you’re erasing our history,'” Hatch said. “We lived our story. I was there. I have lived them. How are you going to tell me that I don’t know what I’ve lived?”

A February Gallup poll found that the number of adults who identify as part of the LGBTQ community has more than doubled over the past decade, from 3.5% in 2012 to 7.2% in 2022. Generation Z represents almost 20% who identify as LGBTQ.

The explosion of gender ideology, Hatch said, is most likely a fad among young adults and teenagers, robbing people of their uniqueness.

“Now everyone’s gay, everyone’s trans,” she told Fox News. “What was wrong with just being who you were?”

Carol Hatch, who has been a lesbian since birth, said she no longer considers herself part of the LGBTQ community after decades of campaigning for gay rights. (Fox News Digital)

As gay Americans fought for same-sex marriage rights, opponents argued that it would lead to even more extreme societal changes affecting sex and gender.

“I mean, let’s be honest. It almost looks like the slippery slope argument is true,” Hatch said. “The reality is there are men in dresses who go into dressing rooms and expose themselves. There are kids on drag shows and there are kids who are prescribed hormone blockers or even have surgery in some cases.”

“As much as we want to ignore it, we can’t,” she added.



At least 18 states have enacted laws restricting or prohibiting underage sex reassignment surgery, and another 13 are considering or debating legislation this year to limit sex reassignment procedures.

Hatch said she was wracked with guilt and regret at having witnessed the “butterfly effect” that decades of commitment to gay and lesbian causes are having on children today.

If I had known then what I know now, I might still have wanted gay rights, but I think I would have fought harder to make sure we didn’t get the kids involved in adult affairs,” she said. “Because it’s awful.”

“Are these the people we are now? Did we become that?” Luke added.

To view the full interview, click here.