Question and answer on Otto e Mezzo on La7 between the director of Il Fatto Quotidiano, Marco Workand the journalist Corriere della Sera beppe Severnini. The controversy begins with Travaglio’s new book, available in bookstores today, Scemi di Guerra. The tragedy of Ukraine, the farce of Italy. A pacifist country held hostage by the NoPax”.
Severgnini doesn’t like the title: “I don’t understand how someone who doesn’t think like you can be dismissed as an idiot.” But Travaglio explains: “If you read it in addition to buying it, you’ll realize that I don’t think those stupid name those who do not think like me, but those who say nonsense, and especially those who believe nonsense,” he says.
The director of the Fatto Quotidiano criticism especially that cover of conflict by the Italian press, emphasizing: “Severgnini complains about the title of the book, but for a year anyone who doubted that Biden is a saint, that Stoltenberg is a saint and that guns must be sent was also banned from his newspaper on the front page” picked out” as in the “List of Putinians” allegedly “filed by the secret services” also consists of names that did not actually appear in the secret service report. “This shameful thing lasted a year and it must end – continues Travaglio – because those who criticized the only thought were criminalized”. The director of Il Fatto also cites the case of investigative journalist, Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh’s news: “He brought evidence that the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines were not sabotaged by Putin himself, but were sabotaged by the US with his Allies sabotaged – Travaglio explains – And this message, signed by a Pulitzer, has not had a hearing. Social media classified it as fake news.” “We classify a Pulitzer report as fake news — he notes — because it doesn’t support White House propaganda.”
Travaglio continues: “We have said that Russia will default because of the sanctions, but instead it is recovering”. And again: “We said that Putin is practically dead, we attributed to him all the diseases in the world”. The book, he concludes, “are all quotation marks, not my judgments”.
At this point Severgnini replies: “It is not true that all the people who have expressed doubts… It is not true that these things are not known. But if there’s anyone who dismissed the others as “war idiots,” which is a serious statement, it was this part. I’ve heard very serious things on TV.” Severgnini continues and presses: “I point out that tAll European governments support what I say, or that if you leave Ukraine and don’t try to help her, you will be massacred and a proud Putin will become even more dangerous. Are they all stupid?”
The director of everyday happeningsHowever, he denies it, saying: “Nothing is true. As Luco Caracciolo often says, at least Europe has four positions, all different. There are countries that have not sent a single weapon to Ukraine. And the same goes for NATO, so it’s not true.”
The problem, explains Travaglio, is not the “philo-Atlantic” press, which “is very free, these are ideas”, but the “It is important not to lie“. Finally he quotes an episode about Beppe Severgnini.
“To say that Putin wanted to occupy all of Europe, as Severgnini said on this show, ‘if NATO didn’t exist, it would already be in Lisbon’ is nonsense in my opinion,” explains Travaglio. “I’ve never said a sentence like that,” replies the Corriere journalist. “But it’s on YouTube,” continues the director of Fatto. “It was a paradox, I think …” presenter Lilli Gruber tries to intervene. But Travaglio continues: “And then you added that we still win because we’re 40 to 1. That’s another lie because the idea that NATO is the world is part of a small ancient world’s rhetoric. ” “No, we win because we are the family of democracies,” Severgnini tries to counter. But Travaglio concludes: “NATO is not the world, it is a small minority of the world, that’s why sanctions don’t work”.